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Gabi1

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Since: Feb 20, 2004
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 7:51 am
Post subject: Win98 crashes at start-up
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When trying to boot my computer, it crashes almost
immediately:
- When starting it in normal mode, it goes through the
booting procedure up to where the desktop screen comes up
VERY briefly, then the screen blacks out and a message
comes up (also VERY briefly) 'Error loading Kernel. You
must reinstall Windows'. Then the system shuts down on
its own.
- When starting up in safe mode, it goes through the
booting procedure up to where 'Himem' is testing the
extended memory; then VERY briefly, the desktop screen
comes up; then a blue screen comes up with a 'Windows'
message that 'A fatal exception 0D has occurred at
0147:0000BC9D. The current application will be
terminated ...[etc].' Then the system is stuck and needs
to be shut down by pressing the power button.
- When trying to reinstall Windows (which the support of
a boot disk in drive a:\) from the original installation
CD, I get a message that 'Windows Setup requires "largest
executable program size" to be at least 442368 bytes to
run'.

I would appreciate any hints on what may have caused this
sudden problem and especially any help on how to possibly
fix it.

Many thanks!

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Bill Starbuck

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2004 11:25 am
Post subject: Re: Win98 crashes at start-up [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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How sure are you that no virus is involved?

If you have scanned the harddisk with an up-to-date antivirus program,
then I think you are probably dealing with defective hardware,
possibly a problem with RAM. Here are some things to try, but I think
you will probably need help from hardware technical support.

Will the computer boot a Startup Disk? You can obtain a Windows
Startup Disk at:

http://www.bootdisk.com/

Also, the Ultimate Boot Disk will: Restore corrupt system files; Flash
your PC bios; Scan your hard drive for viruses; Install or re-install
Windows; Extract cabinet files from the Windows CD; Scan your hard
drive for errors; Boot into the Windows graphical user interface; Run
DOS disk utilities like Partition Magic or Ghost; Partition your hard
drive; Backup your registry or transfer system files. 626kB. Windows
95/98/ME/NT/2000. Free at:

http://www.startdisk.com/Web1/ubd/ubd.htm

If the system will boot a floppy disk, you can run a RAM test. You can
download a test program from www.simmtester.com. You put it on a
floppy disk that you boot in order to run it. It runs a cycle of
several differently patterned tests over and over.

Also, if you can boot a floppy disk, you can make backup copies of any
files you cannot afford to lose, such as financial records, address
lists, letters, spreadsheets, etc.

Bill Starbuck (MVP)

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Gabi1

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:14 am
Post subject: Re: Win98 crashes at start-up [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Thanks for your prompt reply, Bill! I've tried your
suggestions, but didn't get a solution. Unfortunately I
am not sure at all that no virus is involved, but since
all I can operate in is MS-DOS with a start-up disk, I
don't seem to be able to activate a virus scan from there
(let alone do I have an up-to-date antivirus
program...yes, I know...).

Anyway, thanks again for your advice!

 >-----Original Message-----
 >How sure are you that no virus is involved?
 >
 >If you have scanned the harddisk with an up-to-date
antivirus program,
 >then I think you are probably dealing with defective
hardware,
 >possibly a problem with RAM. Here are some things to
try, but I think
 >you will probably need help from hardware technical
support.
 >
 >Will the computer boot a Startup Disk? You can obtain a
Windows
 >Startup Disk at:
 >
 >http://www.bootdisk.com/
 >
 >Also, the Ultimate Boot Disk will: Restore corrupt
system files; Flash
 >your PC bios; Scan your hard drive for viruses; Install
or re-install
 >Windows; Extract cabinet files from the Windows CD; Scan
your hard
 >drive for errors; Boot into the Windows graphical user
interface; Run
 >DOS disk utilities like Partition Magic or Ghost;
Partition your hard
 >drive; Backup your registry or transfer system files.
626kB. Windows
 >95/98/ME/NT/2000. Free at:
 >
 >http://www.startdisk.com/Web1/ubd/ubd.htm
 >
 >If the system will boot a floppy disk, you can run a RAM
test. You can
 >download a test program from <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.simmtester.com." target="_blank">www.simmtester.com.</a> You put
it on a
 >floppy disk that you boot in order to run it. It runs a
cycle of
 >several differently patterned tests over and over.
 >
 >Also, if you can boot a floppy disk, you can make backup
copies of any
 >files you cannot afford to lose, such as financial
records, address
 >lists, letters, spreadsheets, etc.
 >
 >Bill Starbuck (MVP)
 >.
 >
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PCR

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Since: Jun 21, 2004
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:25 pm
Post subject: Re: Win98 crashes at start-up [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Starbuck said his "Ultimate Boot Disk" will do a virus scan. Also (I
say)...

http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/virtest.htm - formal scanning
www.f-prot.com - free DOS-based av
www.nod32.com - free DOS-based av evaluation
www.sophos.com - free DOS-based av evaluation


--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp.TakeThisOut@netzero.net
"Gabi" wrote in message

| Thanks for your prompt reply, Bill! I've tried your
| suggestions, but didn't get a solution. Unfortunately I
| am not sure at all that no virus is involved, but since
| all I can operate in is MS-DOS with a start-up disk, I
| don't seem to be able to activate a virus scan from there
| (let alone do I have an up-to-date antivirus
| program...yes, I know...).
|
| Anyway, thanks again for your advice!
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >How sure are you that no virus is involved?
| >
| >If you have scanned the harddisk with an up-to-date
| antivirus program,
| >then I think you are probably dealing with defective
| hardware,
| >possibly a problem with RAM. Here are some things to
| try, but I think
| >you will probably need help from hardware technical
| support.
| >
| >Will the computer boot a Startup Disk? You can obtain a
| Windows
| >Startup Disk at:
| >
| >http://www.bootdisk.com/
| >
| >Also, the Ultimate Boot Disk will: Restore corrupt
| system files; Flash
| >your PC bios; Scan your hard drive for viruses; Install
| or re-install
| >Windows; Extract cabinet files from the Windows CD; Scan
| your hard
| >drive for errors; Boot into the Windows graphical user
| interface; Run
| >DOS disk utilities like Partition Magic or Ghost;
| Partition your hard
| >drive; Backup your registry or transfer system files.
| 626kB. Windows
| >95/98/ME/NT/2000. Free at:
| >
| >http://www.startdisk.com/Web1/ubd/ubd.htm
| >
| >If the system will boot a floppy disk, you can run a RAM
| test. You can
| >download a test program from www.simmtester.com. You put
| it on a
| >floppy disk that you boot in order to run it. It runs a
| cycle of
| >several differently patterned tests over and over.
| >
| >Also, if you can boot a floppy disk, you can make backup
| copies of any
| >files you cannot afford to lose, such as financial
| records, address
| >lists, letters, spreadsheets, etc.
| >
| >Bill Starbuck (MVP)
| >.
| >
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Mac15

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Since: Aug 18, 2004
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:07 am
Post subject: RE: Win98 crashes at start-up [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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I am going through a similar situation. I ran a continouous diag on the
conventional memory and got an error at the 4th run. I swapped out the
modules with some brand new and still got the error so I am assuming it's the
motherboard.

"Gabi" wrote:

 > When trying to boot my computer, it crashes almost
 > immediately:
 > - When starting it in normal mode, it goes through the
 > booting procedure up to where the desktop screen comes up
 > VERY briefly, then the screen blacks out and a message
 > comes up (also VERY briefly) 'Error loading Kernel. You
 > must reinstall Windows'. Then the system shuts down on
 > its own.
 > - When starting up in safe mode, it goes through the
 > booting procedure up to where 'Himem' is testing the
 > extended memory; then VERY briefly, the desktop screen
 > comes up; then a blue screen comes up with a 'Windows'
 > message that 'A fatal exception 0D has occurred at
 > 0147:0000BC9D. The current application will be
 > terminated ...[etc].' Then the system is stuck and needs
 > to be shut down by pressing the power button.
 > - When trying to reinstall Windows (which the support of
 > a boot disk in drive a:\) from the original installation
 > CD, I get a message that 'Windows Setup requires "largest
 > executable program size" to be at least 442368 bytes to
 > run'.
 >
 > I would appreciate any hints on what may have caused this
 > sudden problem and especially any help on how to possibly
 > fix it.
 >
 > Many thanks!
 >
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