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Paul

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(Msg. 31) Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:25 pm
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Mayayana wrote:
> Curiosity got the better of me and I ended up writing
> a VBScript to test for .Net. For anyone who's curious,
> it's here:
>
> http://www.jsware.net/jsware/test/dotnetv.zip
>
> Drop any file onto the script and if it's .Net the version
> required will be reported. I've tested a number of files
> and this script seems to be dependable. It parses the
> PE file header directly, thus not requiring .Net or any
> other software. (As is typical, the script wasn't so hard
> to write, but finding accurate information was difficult.)
>
> I'll package it up into an HTA, so that people who want
> to scan their systems can just enter a path and have all
> EXEs, DLLs on that path checked.

I altered my script, to call "ildasm.exe", an official MS tool
from one of their SDKs.

After my test run, the ildasm.exe threw five runtime errors
(versus the twenty using CLRver.exe off the 'net). So
the damn script wouldn't run, without dismissing error
dialogs on the screen. I'm going to work on that in a bit.

Using CLRver, my scan got

"V1.0.3705 occurred 13 times
V2.0.50727 occurred 156 times
-2 occurred 21 times"

Using ildasm, the latest scan got

'v4.0.30319' Version String occurred 2 times
'v2.0.50727' Version String occurred 215 times
'v1.0.3705' Version String occurred 13 times

so it would appear the CLRver approach of loading the assembly,
will also fail when a program has a version of dotnet, which
is not installed on the machine. Apparently I have two programs
which call for .net 4.0 and I don't have that version installed.
ildasm is capable of reading that out, without throwing a wobbly.

It's also a bit puzzling, how the MS tools got 215 of the .net 2.0
executables, while the CLRver got 156. That might correspond to
x64 executables that would not load in CLRver (on my x32 OS).

In all cases, the ildasm program detected

Metadata Header Storage Signature: 0x424a5342

which is hex for "BSJB" (only backwards due to endianness).
So that appears to be a pretty consistent theme. The gnuwin32
"file" program, logged a couple things it identified as dotnet,
and there was no BSJB string present. The ildasm never seemed
to log anything that didn't have that present.

This is the ildasm output blob which I used for logging the strings.
There didn't seem to be variation in this, and only the Version
String line is the one that changes from instance to instance.

// Metadata Header
// Storage Signature:
// 0x424a5342 Signature
// 0x0001 Major Version
// 0x0001 Minor Version
// 0x00000000 Extra Data Offset
// 0x0000000c Version String Length
// 'v2.0.50727' Version String
// Storage Header:

The "Version String Length" was still 0c or decimal 12, even for
the short string v1.0.3705. It almost seems like a "max length" of
some sort.

Anyway, good fun for a "something to do" kinda project.

Paul

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(Msg. 32) Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:40 am
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|
| so it would appear the CLRver approach of loading the assembly,
| will also fail when a program has a version of dotnet, which
| is not installed on the machine.

Interesting point. It's typical of .Net that one has to
build a Rube Goldberg automated shovel to scoop a
spoonful of ice cream. Loading the runtime just to parse
file headers is not ideal, even if it did work well.


| In all cases, the ildasm program detected
|
| Metadata Header Storage Signature: 0x424a5342
|

Yes. It's all documented. There's a CLR Header, AKA
CLI Header, which has a pointer to the metadata, which
starts with BSJB. Once one knows the system it's very
dependable because the header has to be set up correctly
to work. But it's hard to find this kind of info. and it's
tricky dealing with offsets and pointers because most of
them are meant to be applied to a file loaded into memory.

| // Metadata Header
| // Storage Signature:
| // 0x424a5342 Signature
| // 0x0001 Major Version
| // 0x0001 Minor Version
| // 0x00000000 Extra Data Offset
| // 0x0000000c Version String Length
| // 'v2.0.50727' Version String
| // Storage Header:
|
| The "Version String Length" was still 0c or decimal 12, even for
| the short string v1.0.3705. It almost seems like a "max length" of
| some sort.

It's padded to a 4-byte multiple. It's not important,
anyway. The string starts at offset 16 (17th byte) in
the metadata and goes until one hits a null. So there's
no need to have the string length.

I'm curious about one thing: If you or anyone else reading
this has a chance to try my script on win64 I'd be interested
to know the results. I don't have easy access to a 64-bit
system, and it's hard to prevent Explorer crashing on XP32
if I let it "look" at a 64-bit file.

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(Msg. 33) Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:55 am
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Mayayana wrote:
> |
> | so it would appear the CLRver approach of loading the assembly,
> | will also fail when a program has a version of dotnet, which
> | is not installed on the machine.
>
> Interesting point. It's typical of .Net that one has to
> build a Rube Goldberg automated shovel to scoop a
> spoonful of ice cream. Loading the runtime just to parse
> file headers is not ideal, even if it did work well.
>
>
> | In all cases, the ildasm program detected
> |
> | Metadata Header Storage Signature: 0x424a5342
> |
>
> Yes. It's all documented. There's a CLR Header, AKA
> CLI Header, which has a pointer to the metadata, which
> starts with BSJB. Once one knows the system it's very
> dependable because the header has to be set up correctly
> to work. But it's hard to find this kind of info. and it's
> tricky dealing with offsets and pointers because most of
> them are meant to be applied to a file loaded into memory.
>
> | // Metadata Header
> | // Storage Signature:
> | // 0x424a5342 Signature
> | // 0x0001 Major Version
> | // 0x0001 Minor Version
> | // 0x00000000 Extra Data Offset
> | // 0x0000000c Version String Length
> | // 'v2.0.50727' Version String
> | // Storage Header:
> |
> | The "Version String Length" was still 0c or decimal 12, even for
> | the short string v1.0.3705. It almost seems like a "max length" of
> | some sort.
>
> It's padded to a 4-byte multiple. It's not important,
> anyway. The string starts at offset 16 (17th byte) in
> the metadata and goes until one hits a null. So there's
> no need to have the string length.
>
> I'm curious about one thing: If you or anyone else reading
> this has a chance to try my script on win64 I'd be interested
> to know the results. I don't have easy access to a 64-bit
> system, and it's hard to prevent Explorer crashing on XP32
> if I let it "look" at a 64-bit file.
>
>

I may get around to running yours eventually.

Right now, I've extracted a file from the "paint.net" package
(PaintDotNet.Native.x64.dll), which appears to be 64 bit native
(is reported as PE32+) and yet it doesn't have BSJB in the file.
I tested on the 64 bit laptop, and it fails on ildasm and clrver
programs. And yet the gnuwin32 "file" program, says the
file is dotnet. And I have no reason to suspect it isn't,
as paint.net is a "poster child" for dotnet usage.

I'm still very much at the "mysteries" stage here.

Right now, I'm off, to shovel snow...

Paul
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:45 am
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|
| I may get around to running yours eventually.
|
| Right now, I've extracted a file from the "paint.net" package
| (PaintDotNet.Native.x64.dll), which appears to be 64 bit native
| (is reported as PE32+) and yet it doesn't have BSJB in the file.

I tried downloading Paint.Net as a test sample,
and I unpacked the installer. But I don't think
anything in there is actually the program. It seems
to be a "oneclick" installer package, designed to
go online and download the real program.

| I tested on the 64 bit laptop, and it fails on ildasm and clrver
| programs. And yet the gnuwin32 "file" program, says the
| file is dotnet.

I downloaded the gnuwin32 source but it's a lot more
code than I want to deal with on a wild goose chase.
You don't need any of that stuff. It's all explained in
the comments of my code. (You don't have to trust me.
It's a VBScript. The code is plain text.) If you prefer to
research it yourself you can find a lot at these links:

http://www.simple-talk.com/community/blogs/simonc/archive/2011/03/15/100802.aspx
http://www.thehackerslibrary.com/?p=377
http://www.vijaymukhi.com/documents/books/metadata/chap1.htm
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:45 pm
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"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:02:19 -0600, "000-222-000"
> wrote:
<Cut Out>
>> > Microsoft Office, Microsoft Silverlight, and Visual Studio are
>> > *application* programs. They are *not* part of Windows XP.
>> >
>>
>> Look if a OP put the *application* on his Windows XP,
>> it become part of his Windows XP..
>>
>> Maybe not you XP but His............................
>
>
> So you apparently have no idea what the words "application" and
> "operating system" mean.
>

Application software,
also known as an application or an "app",
is computer software designed to
help the user to perform specific tasks.

An operating system (OS) is a set of programs
that manage computer hardware resources
and provide common services for application software.


>
> Or are you just trying to excuse your obvious error by misusing the
> terms?
>

No it you that is a 404 Error,
and know not the the 500 that you excuse,
You need to stop playing gives good info,

Do you know that is the Application,
that ask for the Add on, [Plug-in]
to the operating system,
so that the Application software,
can run a task,
up on ones operating system..

The .NET framework is a [Plug-in],
a add on to the Windows O.S.,

Windows start to update it,
Add On call .NET framework,
to remove it,
you have to remove the updates,
one at a time,
as the up date your made,

For ones at Plug-in is add,
to your operating system,
Microsoft enjoy sewing it in place..

You need to give out of the Lexus Box,
and thank Microsoft!

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(Msg. 36) Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:37 pm
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:45:51 -0600, "000-222-000"
wrote:

>No it you that is a 404 Error,
>and know not the the 500 that you excuse,
>You need to stop playing gives good info,
>
>Do you know that is the Application,
>that ask for the Add on, [Plug-in]
>to the operating system,
>so that the Application software,
>can run a task,
>up on ones operating system..
>
>The .NET framework is a [Plug-in],
>a add on to the Windows O.S.,
>
>Windows start to update it,
>Add On call .NET framework,
>to remove it,
>you have to remove the updates,
>one at a time,
>as the up date your made,
>
>For ones at Plug-in is add,
>to your operating system,
>Microsoft enjoy sewing it in place..
>
>You need to give out of the Lexus Box,
>and thank Microsoft!
>

What language is that? I wanted to run it through Google Translate to
get English, but I'm not sure how to proceed.
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 4:18 pm
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Here's an easy, simple tool to check for .Net software.
It's an HTA. (VBScript that runs in an IE webpage.)
The tool is not dangerous and does not itself require
..Net or any other additional software. You just give it
a folder path and it will check all EXEs and DLLs,
reporting the full path and .Net version for any file that
requires .Net. It doesn't run or write to any files it finds.
It works by just reading the file header to get data
stored there.

Download:
http://www.jsware.net/jsware/test/dotnetv.zip

Here's a picture:
http://www.jsware.net/jsware/test/dncheck.gif

There are directions in the HTA webpage interface.
And the generated list can be copied. .Net software
can be identified by the file paths. It's very simple.

This still hasn't been tested on Win64. It should
work, but I'm not certain that Win64 EXE headers
are exactly the same format as Win32 EXEs. I would
appreciate any reports.

Interesting side note: The sample image shows a test
running on XP with no .Net installed. Some of the list
is software I downloaded for testing. But one item on
there is the Microsoft Management Console. MMC is
something that seems to be designed for corporate
admins. I've never used it. Strangely, MS seems to
have converted that to .Net in XP, as a default install,
even though XP does not have .Net by default!
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:26 pm
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"Char Jackson" wrote in message
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 07:45:51 -0600, "000-222-000"
> wrote:
>
>>No it you that is a 404 Error,
>>and know not the the 500 that you excuse,
>>You need to stop playing gives good info,
>>
>>Do you know that is the Application,
>>that ask for the Add on, [Plug-in]
>>to the operating system,
>>so that the Application software,
>>can run a task,
>>up on ones operating system..
>>
>>The .NET framework is a [Plug-in],
>>a add on to the Windows O.S.,
>>
>>Windows start to update it,
>>Add On call .NET framework,
>>to remove it,
>>you have to remove the updates,
>>one at a time,
>>as the up date your made,
>>
>>For ones at Plug-in is add,
>>to your operating system,
>>Microsoft enjoy sewing it in place..
>>
>>You need to give out of the Lexus Box,
>>and thank Microsoft!
>>
>
> What language is that? I wanted to run it through Google Translate to
> get English, but I'm not sure how to proceed.
>

Thank Microsoft and try Bing Translate... and it not in English,
but old U.S.A language...

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(Msg. 39) Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:39 pm
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On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:26:43 -0600, "000-222-000"
wrote:

>"Char Jackson" wrote in message
>>
>> What language is that? I wanted to run it through Google Translate to
>> get English, but I'm not sure how to proceed.
>>
>
>Thank Microsoft and try Bing Translate... and it not in English,
>but old U.S.A language...

I give up. I guess we can't communicate. No common language.
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:00 pm
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"Char Jackson" wrote in message
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 15:26:43 -0600, "000-222-000"
> wrote:
>
> I give up. I guess we can't communicate. No common language.
>

You need too,
for there is no Translator,
for old U.S.A language..
But English will get you 85%,
of the Translation,
with no understanding,
of the meaning thereof.

But you all,
will not be able,
to put a foot,
in to the meaning,
of language,
that is in USA English,
Dam Translate.
;0

Vous devez aussi,
Il n'y a aucun traducteur,
pour les vieux U.S.A langue...
Mais l'anglais vous obtiendrez 85 %,
de la traduction,
sans aucune compréhension,
le sens celui-ci.


Mais vous tous,
ne sera pas en mesure du faire,
pour mettre un pied,
dans le sens,
de la langue,
C'est en anglais USA,
Barrage de traduire.


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(Msg. 41) Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:26 pm
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..NET Development, Here How to Determine......
If a Software add it was made by one of thee
..NET Framework and it to run.

..NET Framework 1.1
The .NET Framework version that was released with Visual Studio .NET
[VS6 have to have it].....

NET Framework 2.0
The .NET Framework version that was released with Visual Studio 2005.

..NET Framework 3.0
The .NET Framework version that was released with the Windows SDK for Windows Vista.
This version includes the .NET Framework 2.0 and added technologies such as WPF, WCF, WF, and Windows CardSpace.

..NET Framework 3.5
The .NET Framework version that was released with Visual Studio 2008.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
NOT FOR XP

..NET Framework 4
The version of the .NET Framework that was released with Visual Studio 2010.

[But Visual Studio 2010 will run on .NET Framework 3.5]

NET Framework 4.5 Developer Preview
The pre-release version of the .NET Framework 4.5,
which is available with Visual Studio 11 Developer Preview.

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(Msg. 42) Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:17 am
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| .NET Framework 1.1
| The .NET Framework version that was released with Visual Studio .NET
| [VS6 have to have it].....
|

I don't know what the point of this list is, but that
part is not right. VS6 (VB6 and VC6) predates .Net by
about 3 years, and is used to write normal compiled
software. It has nothing to do with any .Net Frameworks.
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:50 am
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On 1/13/2012 11:18 AM, Mayayana wrote:
> Here's an easy, simple tool to check for .Net software.
> It's an HTA. (VBScript that runs in an IE webpage.)
> The tool is not dangerous and does not itself require
> .Net or any other additional software. You just give it
> a folder path and it will check all EXEs and DLLs,
> reporting the full path and .Net version for any file that
> requires .Net. It doesn't run or write to any files it finds.
> It works by just reading the file header to get data
> stored there.
>
> Download:
> http://www.jsware.net/jsware/test/dotnetv.zip
>
> Here's a picture:
> http://www.jsware.net/jsware/test/dncheck.gif
>
> There are directions in the HTA webpage interface.
> And the generated list can be copied. .Net software
> can be identified by the file paths. It's very simple.
>
> This still hasn't been tested on Win64. It should
> work, but I'm not certain that Win64 EXE headers
> are exactly the same format as Win32 EXEs. I would
> appreciate any reports.
>
> Interesting side note: The sample image shows a test
> running on XP with no .Net installed. Some of the list
> is software I downloaded for testing. But one item on
> there is the Microsoft Management Console. MMC is
> something that seems to be designed for corporate
> admins. I've never used it. Strangely, MS seems to
> have converted that to .Net in XP, as a default install,
> even though XP does not have .Net by default!
>
>
>
Thank you. I'll give it a try this weekend.
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:31 pm
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On 1/13/2012 9:50 PM, aeroloose wrote:
> On 1/13/2012 11:18 AM, Mayayana wrote:
>> Here's an easy, simple tool to check for .Net software.
>> It's an HTA. (VBScript that runs in an IE webpage.)
>> The tool is not dangerous and does not itself require
>> .Net or any other additional software. You just give it
>> a folder path and it will check all EXEs and DLLs,
>> reporting the full path and .Net version for any file that
>> requires .Net. It doesn't run or write to any files it finds.
>> It works by just reading the file header to get data
>> stored there.
>>
>> Download:
>> http://www.jsware.net/jsware/test/dotnetv.zip
>>
>> Here's a picture:
>> http://www.jsware.net/jsware/test/dncheck.gif
>>
< snip >
>>
>>
> Thank you. I'll give it a try this weekend.

I ran it, with interesting results. I have 8 programs that
use it (not counting the v2 and v3 Frameworks themselves).
I did not expect to see Firefox and Thunderbird show up, but
they did. The others were Silverlight, PDF995, Filehippo
Updater, Wireshark, SyncToy and Installshield (the only v1
reference).

I did have problems running the HTA script. I tried the
"c:\windows" path first, but after clicking through many
"Program is slowing. Stop this script?" error messages, it
finally ground to a halt. After killing and restarting, I
tried with "c:\program files." I still had lots of
click-throughs, but it finally completed. I don't know if
this is a function of the age of my machine, IE7, or
something else.

Thanks for the reco.
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:31 pm
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On 1/14/2012 1:31 PM, aeroloose wrote:
> On 1/13/2012 9:50 PM, aeroloose wrote:
>> On 1/13/2012 11:18 AM, Mayayana wrote:
>>> Here's an easy, simple tool to check for .Net software.
>>> It's an HTA. (VBScript that runs in an IE webpage.)
>>> The tool is not dangerous and does not itself require
>>> .Net or any other additional software. You just give it
>>> a folder path and it will check all EXEs and DLLs,
>>> reporting the full path and .Net version for any file that
>>> requires .Net. It doesn't run or write to any files it finds.
>>> It works by just reading the file header to get data
>>> stored there.
>>>
>>> Download:
>>> http://www.jsware.net/jsware/test/dotnetv.zip
>>>
>>> Here's a picture:
>>> http://www.jsware.net/jsware/test/dncheck.gif
>>>
> < snip >
>>>
>>>
>> Thank you. I'll give it a try this weekend.
>
> I ran it, with interesting results. I have 8 programs that use it (not
> counting the v2 and v3 Frameworks themselves). I did not expect to see
> Firefox and Thunderbird show up, but they did. The others were
> Silverlight, PDF995, Filehippo Updater, Wireshark, SyncToy and
> Installshield (the only v1 reference).
>
> I did have problems running the HTA script. I tried the "c:\windows"
> path first, but after clicking through many "Program is slowing. Stop
> this script?" error messages, it finally ground to a halt. After killing
> and restarting, I tried with "c:\program files." I still had lots of
> click-throughs, but it finally completed. I don't know if this is a
> function of the age of my machine, IE7, or something else.
>
> Thanks for the reco.

I too had similar results.

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